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Grat article my friend, keep updating your site
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Great site with interesting content! I am interested in purchasing The Bitter Waters Code but can’t locate it.
Sorry its taken awhile to answer this post. I will try to be more timely in future. The Bitter Waters Code is still not released it. It is long overdue! I hope to have it out in the next year, along with a revised and expanded edition of the The Case for Lilith.
Thanks for your interest.
I’m really enjoying the design and layout of your blog.
It’s a very easy on the eyes which makes it much more pleasant for
me to come here and visit more often. Did you hire out a developer to
create your theme? Superb work!
The site is self developed. I am an Engineer, and have always had the curiosity to learn web page development. This is my first real try to a modern development tool, WordPress.
I really can’t believe how great this site is. Keep up the good work. I’m going to tell all my friends about this place.
This site looks better and better every time I visit it. What have you done with this place to make it so amazing?!
I haven’t seen anything like this site before. Did you wrie this wonderful stuff yourself?
I add upon others work. I try to cite references and add numerous footnotes as often as practical. I have never seen the story put together in one place with all puzzle pieces arranged in order.
Did you ever notice that Yahweh lied about the alleged Toxicity of the fruit [of DISCERNMENT]? That completely destroys any notion of original sin.
Don’t feel bad for not noticing, and I never would have found it either without all of your work Mark. THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH! it was a biological wiring glitch that Our Designers have been trying to work out for some time…
I like the technical aspects of your analysis. But there is some evidence refuting some of your assertions. The Hebrew word for Day (Yom), does not necessarily mean a single 24 hour period. The meaning of “day” for Yom is the word’s most common meaning, but Yom is also used to mean any instant of time, moment, or era. For example, Isiah mentions the “Day of the Lord”, which is widely held not to refer to a single 24 hour period, but rather an era of time.
I also hold the opinion that Yom in reference to the curse also concerns an era of time, namely the seventh creation day. For various reasons, the seven days of creation are not literal 24 hour periods. But rather they are long periods of time, or eras. As a matter of fact, I hold to the option that we are still in the 7th creation day. Note that Genesis says that days 1 to 6 have an evening and a morning, thus a beginning and an ending. However, the seventh day is never said to have ended. That is because we are still in the 7th day. Thus, Adam did indeed die in the very day that he ate. Namely, the 7th creation day that continues to this day.
Also, note that Genesis nowhere says the fruit was poisonous or toxic. It merely said that eating it would cause death. It could be much the same way that stealing a TV does not cause death. But rather the owner shooting the offender might very well kill the thief.
Also, it is nowhere mentioned that God ever commanded Eve concerning the tree. He only commanded Adam. Many Rabbis hold that Adam told Eve she would die, in order to persuade her to never eat, for various possible reasons only known to Adam. It is indeed very possible thought, since Adam and Eve where one creation on spiritual levels, that God’s commandment to Adam also extended to Eve.
I’m not sure exactly why but this site is loading incredibly slow for me.
Is anyone else having this problem or is it a problem on my end?
I’ll check back later on and see if the problem still exists.
It could be a temporary web server issue or perhaps your internet connection. If anyone still expierences this issue, let me know.
I’ve read the Case for Lilith and I’m very disappointed by it. Why is the only reference you use for Lilith from a Jewish & Christian perspective? Lilith is rooted in Sumerian and other cultural legends and wasn’t demonized but honored and worshiped for her independent spirit and representation of female control over their sexuality. She was only demonized by those patriarchal societies that saw an independent feminine goddess as something to degrade, which by the way they also did to Eve by putting the blame on her for Adam’s fall. What MOST Christian churches call the Creation story is that Adam for “far away from Eve in the garden when the Serpent appeared” but what the Bible says in Genesis 3.6 is that Eve passed the fruit to Adam who was RIGHT NEXT TO HER, which means he was no innocent who just rolled up on the situation afterwards, he was there for the ENTIRE conversation and free took the fruit from his wife and ate of it. KJV “and when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one WISE, she too of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her HUSBAND WITH HER, and he did eat. Why is this aspect of the Bible version never discussed? Why are the woman of creation in the Bible villainized? I mean Adam must a be a real prick for two women to “betray” him. Why does the Bible make Adam seem like the victim of Eve when in fact he was there and took a WILLING part in the “transgression”? Maybe because at the time the Bible was written it was during Roman occupation and we all know that the Roman Emperor wanted to control his people and used religion to do it. He also had an issue of a rapidly declining male population due to several wars and isolating male children as young as 5 from their society to train for war. It’s also been proven that women during that time were being “forced” into marriages as early as 12yrs old and they were using goddesses such as Isis and Lilith to get out of their prearranged marriages. The Roman Catholic Church also wanted to be the dominant religion and used this issue as one reason to change a lot of the original Hebrew and make women subservient to men throughout the Bible texts along with deeming some text as heretical and burning them. Why is none of these aspects explored? Sounds like the typical Christian degradation of women.
Thank you Cher for your comments.
I totally agree that I only cover the Lilith legend from the perspective of Judaism and Christianity. That was really the entire point of the book, since I felt that point of view was never fully argued to the larger public. Rather, the more feministic Lilith is usually portrayed. I do not attempt to study the Lilith legend as part of any justification for ill behavior against women in any age. There are plenty of works on that topic for readers to find.
At the very least, I think from my book you could really appreciate the impact the Lilith legend had upon the early churches and Judiasm. Even if you feel they changed certain aspects. Because Lilith precedes even Judaism, variants of her legend already existed at that religions onset. And the Lilith legend they adopted did not include all versions extant at that time.
A beautiful and well constructed collection of intelligent analysis and reasoning. You made a well constructed methodical argument like very few others I’ve ever seen capable of. A website of humility, intellect, and creativity…. while very few others are able to gather a reasonable explanation as to the missing elements in Genesis, and yet other theologies even claim her as their goddess. You take a humbled approach, in fact, you even gave credit for your screenplay to “Arthur”! (Also, the .PDF is a bad link)
On a side note, your site didnt show up while I was looking for “lilith”, it came up on page 4 (Bing result 39), when I searched for “Samson and Gilgamesh”. I was attempting to connect the two characters. Needless to say, your exposition on the “re-visit” to the garden by Lilith was what I have found so little elsewhere, as if it were an intentional missing piece. And as I’m sure you are familiar….reverse engineering has many methods.
Some of the erratic posts by visitors tells me you are onto some significant analogies. Ive discovered validation sometimes comes in strange packages.
As for your incomplete / future entries on “return of the nephilim” and “End Times”, I must say those are ambitious topics others have spent their lives researching. I see the “delay” as a testament to your thorough and methodical work. Any information you add will certainly be valuable, but the previous work you’ve done will never be forgotten. Thank You.
Thank you so very much for your very kind comments. It motivates me to work harder! I am busy with the new edition of the Case for Lilith, and trying to finish to long promised Bitter Waters Code. I think I have some updates you may enjoy. I have a nice tidbit for you that will be included in next edition of The Case for Lilith. Read the short story “Rappaccini’s Daughter”. The parallels with Lilith I think will be obvious to you. 🙂 Thanks to Andrew Dawson who pointed out this work to me!
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